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Now-a-days I’m reading a lot of Osho and J Krishnamurti books. The underlying thought is quite same in both philosophers, but the way they express it is very different. To be aware, be awakened towards the self and everything around is the central teaching of both philosophers. J Krishnamurti is very logical and rational in approach. It doesn’t mean that Osho isn’t logical. He’s logical too, but has a mystical sense too which J Krishnamurti lacks. The teachings of ‘K’ are in very rational language as if he is teaching physics, very point-to-point. But it’s useful only for the person who is already eager to experiment in order to realize the truth. Krishnamurti cannot make a person interested in the truth; he cannot awake the urge of truth in anyone. On the other hand, Osho has this advantage. He has a unique style which can make one interested in the experimentation for truth.Apart from this comparison, there is more important thing which I’m concerned about. And it is my inability to practice the constant awareness. I’ve tried it several times and failed too. But when the hell am I going to be ‘aware’ even for the five minutes. It’s a sort of constant meditation. Here I’m not able to meditate even for a little time and trying to be aware 24x7. Is it possible at all? I think it is very possible but I’m not trying hard enough. I think I should be more honest to myself and more persistent in my endeavor.
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"don't try so hard", he said. :)
Jiddu Krishnamurti;
“There are three monks, who had been sitting in deep meditation for many years amidst the Himalayan snow peaks, never speaking a word, in utter silence. One morning, one of the three suddenly speaks up and says, ‘What a lovely morning this is.’ And he falls silent again. Five years of silence pass, when all at once the second monk speaks up and says, ‘But we could do with some rain.’ There is silence among them for another five years, when suddenly the third monk says, ‘Why can’t you two stop chattering?”
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Osho talks about being the watcher, which is awareness. Krishnamurti is very deep...too deep. Osho is a simple man with simple direct understandable words. So forget about everything. YOu are allready a BUddha.
¿It's difficult to get constant awareness?
Maybe it's because you have spend almost your whole life trying to be constantly not aware...I mean...constantly THINKING...scaping from reallity, from what it IS...
Something that helps me to keep my self aware (but I still not getting enought awareness, at least as many as I feel I should...) is to use my senses...to FEEL...to observe...to LISTEN...not just to hear...it's totally different...but try to read and practice Osho's and Jiddu's speeches and books about constant awareness...you should be in great hands...
Osho on Jiddu Krishnamurti life and teachings is described here in detail
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Life_of_Masters/Jiddu/jiddu_krishnamurthy.htm
dear Prateek ,i sujjest u start with some meditation technique , osho had developed very powerfull meditaion techniques (cathartic),it takes a bit to get started but then awareness comes so naturally and easily.......krishnamurti is awesome mind blowing but very difficult to begin with....i feel that to develop awareness out of continous self control is impossible........it should rather happen to us
"YOU ARE NOT UNAWARE"REMEMBER THAT BUT THE AWARE CENTRE IS COVERED BY OUR STUPIDITIES AND NOTIONS AND PREJUDICES AND ANY OTHER VCONDITIONING THAT WAS NOT IN US WHEN WE WERE BORN FRESH AND SMOOTH. THIS IS WHAT BASES J KRISHNA AND OSHO .BUT U R NOT ATTACKING THE ROOT PROBLEM OF REMOVING THE DISEASE TO GET HEALTH BUT INSTEAD IMPOSING HEALTH ON THE DISEASE. U MAY TAKE ON URSELF FROM HERE
If you are trying some technique. That means that your mind is concentrating on something, and is thus getting tired. You might discover that you are trying to capture some moment in time which is an impossibility. This effort is futile. The brain and body have a natural chemistry, and any intervention on the part of your mind is bad. The moment does not exist in a captured instant, but in a flow like a creek.
बहुत पहले, लगभग 15- 20 साल पहले मैं सबसे कुछ ऐसी ही बातंे करता था। और आज भी बहुत अंतर नहीं आया। क्या आदमी के पास बातें करने के लिए बहुत कुछ नहीं होता? क्या ध्यान केवल बातें करने की चीज है? क्या ध्यान एक विषय है? क्या हमें अन्य बुद्धों की बातें ही करनी चाहिए? क्या हम इस लायक हैं कि बुद्धों का तुलनात्मक अध्ययन कर सकें?
just sit by the side of a Buddha, just feel the love, just feel the ecstacy in their eyes, just feel the air around them, just............. is enough.
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I've been noticing this situation in many people's lives. On one hand, it's great that anyone can get all the books of these great teachers and start practicing them with whatever understanding they get out of it. On the other hand, they are struggling to cultivate sustained awareness.
It is not that "being aware" is difficult. The difficulty is in understanding and working through one's -ve karma. I mean all the negative desires, habbits, and those ego stuff. It's not a joke! One needs to patiently work through them and bring the light of awareness to them.
That is where all the traditional spiritual paths help like prayers, any spiritual discipline, etc.
Once one has worked through his/her karma, then just being, doing nothing specifically, awareness is there all the time. Karma is not a esoteric word but just one's own tendencies - which are mostly ego driven and habituated over time!
Wow. It's interesting to see that you've had people commenting on this post for over 2 years now!
"How is your understanding these days?"
You are thinking too much. Do not try to be always aware. You cannot anyway. Whom are you comparing yourself to? Who are you competing with? What deadline are you trying to meet? Every thing blooms in it's own season. The trick is to keep comming back as often as you can. It sounds simplistic, and it is. Truth is ALWAYS simple, The ego makes everything unecessarily complex. A simple REALIZation that you are innattentive is enough. Do not stress yourself. Attention does not require physical effort on your part. REALIZation of a state of mind does not require effort on your part. REALIZATION itself means to REALIZE, to become aware of REALITY, of "what is". That is to make "REAL" here and now. TO REALIZE YOU ARE NOT ATTENTIVE IS THE AWAKENING OF ATTENTION! IT IS ATTENTION! When you become aware of inattention suddenly, do not focus on any content(thoughts, emotions, sensations, or sensory stimulous) that might be passing in your mind. As one other poster here suggested, "You might discover that you are trying to capture some moment in time which is an impossibility. This effort is futile." They are all temporary, like soap bubbles in the bathtub. They come and then they go and are replaced by others. "That which becomes aware of being innattentive"(the watcher) is important, all else is not. So don't worry about forgetting yourself and getting lost in content. When you REALIZE you are innattentive. Come back. DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE!!! You will see that more and more your awareness grows naturally without your "doing" anything. It becomes simpler and simpler, easier and easier to come back. Believe it or not it becomes more and more your natural state to be aware. Your trying to always be aware is just ego. It's just you trying to reach some goal in the future which doesn't exist really.
Sorry for the rambling post, but I hope this helps a little.
PEACE.
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Try keeping your spine always
erect.Awareness will come gradually ... i believe so
osho he is a rose .jiddu he is a lotus. please don't compare these two. both have their own beauty. your problem is because you are trying hard ,don't try ,dont do any thing.sit silently you need not do anything ,everything will happen naturaly......by oshine (a deciple of osho and jiddu)
When someone says "be aware" does it mean "be attentive"? Is being aware same as being attentive? Or is awareness is something beyond attention,inattention etc.? Does one need to be judgemental when observing(witnessing) or should one be aware of the judging process? You cannot be attentive of everything since so many things (thoughts, actions etc.) are going on every moment; if you pay attention to one then you won't notice the other.
But if I were to define awareness as something beyond and bigger than my thoughts, then I might assume that I am aware of everything every single moment (although I have no idea what such awareness means).
Also, what is meant by "don't do any thing" (as mentioned in a post above)?
Awareness simply means that you are aware of everything what so ever you are doing. In the beginning this process starts with an effort, and one part of mind is watching the other- which means when you are talking to some outside also, be aware of it. Be aware that you are the one who is talking to some one else, similarly listening to someone, be aware that you are listening to someone. So constantly your one part of the mind watches the other. This is a constant effort. Start watching with big things like when you are talking, walking, listening, eating, bathing and slowly you will be able to watch your ideas, and then more subtle things like your emotions. Interestingly amazing thing happens in the end (enlightenment), first your one part of the mind was watching the other, but now one realizes that even the part of mind, which was watching the other part of the mind, is being observed by somebody unknown. The watcher is being watched himself. Now awareness has reached to the point of universal awareness. Call it God, choice less awareness, nirvana, smadhi...... these all are names and doesn't make any differences. The ultimate watcher is unknown and could never be known, not because it is unknown yet but it could never be known. It is transcendental, beyond mind and knowledge.
Blessings.
i hv read 'k' and osho. i am sure that 'k' is not for common people. i can listen/read osho for hrs. juddu is not more then 15 mins
tersting :)
just read and enjoy....
A person asked "K" that he's trying hard to be aware for more than 5 years. But it did not happen. Im still not understanding how to be aware !!
"K" Answered. You are trying this for 5 years. But its simple if you understand bit of knack.
"If you know that you are "Unaware".. you are Aware.
you don't need to be aware because you are aware, even if you imagine you don't. do the oposite: try to not be aware, and you will see: you are aware itself!
I was in the same boat, keep on struggling and then suddenly one day all struggling will stop and you will notice you have always been free. Its not an intellectual proposition, I have become free and you will one day.
After Reading Shiva Sutra’s commentaries by Osho it was more important thing which I was concerned about. Being 24x7 in present was my major concern too and I was not able to do it. Sometimes I would just imagine that I was present for all the day but it was my lowerself which played the trick of convincing me. Later I found the reason in books of P.D Ouspensky “In Search of the Miraculous”, “The Psychology of Man’s Possible Evolution” & “The Fourth Way”. I really for the first time could understand the importance of man being a machine as Gurdjieff says it “Stimulus response machine”. The functions of four lower centers and obstacles generated by them, the chief feature in man, the body types and their mechanics, the idea of “many I’s in a person”, the attack of the lower self and it’s ways of back door entry, the definition of magnetic center, the functions of human machine represented by playing cards etc and above all the importance of being amongst the group of people who are willing to become conscious being and importance of a living teacher who can give you precise tools like “sequence” to stay in present second to second.
Being aware or awareness can be only understood by people who has experianced it or tasted it, else it is just a word, like saying "QAWEDR" which means nothing but could be interpreted in a million ways.
My personal experiance is that i tried to be aware but always lost track of it , latter i started doing Pranayam and noticed that brain becomes more fresh or active/sharp.
than you start noticing the thoughts and you can track it to something you would have seen.
example , i see a man reading news paper, i rem the newspaper i read in the morning, i rem a sports headline, thoughts are connected only through association.
you one fine day can reach a state where you listen to some person talking and you can actually see what is happening like you see a tree.it is not something out of mind, because it is like seeing a sun or a table or a glass.
you can see why he is talking like that what is his motive etc.
I personally found each line in JK's book telling truth nothing but truth.
only problem is that many people become spirtual only when they are in problem and those people are looking for solutions to their problem as they find it beyond their capabality to solve it.
JK will never give a solution, he will never give a technique because he wants to set the people free.
the moment he gives a technique, it like giving a direction.
But JK wants to set the people free, that is you can go south, go north,go west, go east, or simply go nowhere but just sit.
the moment he says go EAST, the freedom is lost and he becomes a "Authority" or a Guru.
JK is only for people who are really looking for truth, not for those who turn spirtual because they have problems with their spouce or a bad day in office.
For those people a Guru is better because he will comfort them, give them some kind of solace and latter try to make them reialize their own potential.
JK or Osho both are good, no person is inferior or superior it just depends on us, if we have a problem we can go to someone who can give us a solution.
That is the reason there is a huge crowd for Guru's who can grant boons.
Even I find it really hard to be aware for even like half an hour,but I guess that is because of constantly losing control of the awareness,because of our habit of consistently diving into the mind,which break the flow of the awareness.I guess we just have to choose, awareness or the mind.
Osho :" If you want to remain totally free, then don't choose. That's where the teaching of choiceless awareness comes in. Why the insistence of the great masters just to be aware and not to choose? Because the moment you choose, you have lost your total freedom, you are left with only a part. But if you remain choiceless, your freedom remains total. So there is only one thing which is totally free and that is choiceless awareness. Everything else is limited."
This answers everything. :-)
Pratik, the very effort to remain in awareness is a hindarance, dont try...just be..let it happen...just watch.....watch...watching.....
Its awareness....just be here and now...feel it in the body...feeling the breath...the little voices in the surroundings...Know the FLOW unstopped in all of us.
Living the moment -to- moment!!!
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